tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post116191094167438225..comments2024-03-09T05:53:59.542-05:00Comments on Oz and Ends: Questions about the Dark Is Rising MovieUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-17958594239789367932007-10-27T01:14:00.000-05:002007-10-27T01:14:00.000-05:00I am a Christian and I enjoyed the books, but I wo...I am a Christian and I enjoyed the books, but I wouldn't let my children read them yet. I also wouldn't take them to see the movie. I would rather my kids not read TDIR until they're old enough to understand about reading through the text and not taking it all at face value. Maybe when they're in high school or so I will recommend them and discuss some of the implications with them. <BR/>By the way, I do encourage my kids to read Harry Potter. I'm not a literature prude! But the secular humanist theme in TDIR is blatant, especially at the end of the 3rd book. I can't find anything in HP which is overtly contrary to the values I am trying to instill in my children.<BR/><BR/>Concerning the Narnia movies, someone commented above, "they are also skipping the next one right to the 4th book for the next movie." This is not accurate. Recent releases of the Narnia series have reordered them chronologically, but they were not originally written this way, and were never published in this way in Lewis's lifetime. The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was written first. The Magician's Nephew is book #6, and The Horse and His Boy is #5.Elizabeth P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06324800888826163068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-16884949999244659602007-09-16T06:32:00.000-05:002007-09-16T06:32:00.000-05:00I'm from Australia, and this was one of my favouri...I'm from Australia, and this was one of my favourite books of childhood. Having seen the trailer, I dont think I'll be going to see this movie. yes, sure, let the US industry make an adaptation of this movie, but let a GOOD screenwriter and a GOOD director(Alfonso Cuaron & Steve Kloves did a good job with HP3) do it. Me, well I'll be waiting until BBC TV Childrens Drama makes a faithful series adaptation of the whole sequence, like they did with Narnia in the 90'sAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-82664147022637905552007-09-13T02:27:00.000-05:002007-09-13T02:27:00.000-05:00I must agree with much I am reading here. I am a ...I must agree with much I am reading here. I am a Christian that has quite enjoyed these books. I don't expect everyone who writes about good vs. evil, light vs. dark, to share my views. I find value in a great many kinds of stories and have found wonderful value in the DIS sequence. As far as the film goes, I could not be any more disappointed in what I have seen in the previews. The film adaptation seems already to have lost any sense of magic and wonder so beautifully written in the book. It pains me, as an American, that there seems to be a thought that this story should be "Americanized" in order to succeed. Quite to the contrary, I think it will murder this movie. I didn't know of the director's mission until reading some of these posts. I appreciate that he may find his world view in the story (even if I don't so much), but to force it into the film would be dishonest and harmful to what Cooper has written. I may not agree with Cooper's world view, but I have enough respect for her to take her story "as is" and enjoy it. I am still torn as to whether I will see the movie. Probably not. That makes me sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-60941919044920887022007-08-29T11:19:00.000-05:002007-08-29T11:19:00.000-05:00In this post I analyzed the evidence from intervie...In <A HREF="http://ozandends.blogspot.com/2007/07/church-scene-in-dark-is-rising-movie.html" REL="nofollow">this post</A> I analyzed the evidence from interviews and concluded that the director was <I>not</I> responsible for how the movie seems so different in tone from the book. <BR/><BR/>That change seems to have started before Cunningham was brought onto the project, by producers and a screenwriter that don't seem to share his religious background.J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-45704589078483311262007-08-28T23:35:00.000-05:002007-08-28T23:35:00.000-05:00I just saw the movie trailer in the theater, and w...I just saw the movie trailer in the theater, and was appalled. Now reading about the director, I understand why the story has been massacared. <BR/>The series is my all time favourite, and a standard fiction loved by children all across the UK - and a basis for many of those I know finding their way further into the pagan beliefs. That series triggered my own research into the path I now follow.<BR/>The entire series is based around the merlin/arthur/avalon legends, and many of the beliefs/legends of pre-christian britain. I personally cannot understand why susan cooper has permitted such a damaging adaptation by someone who admits being a "christian reformer". I have nothing against christians, as long as they dont try and trash other peoples beliefs. This film, by a sympathetic or neutral producer could be entertaining & haunting, show some of the beauty of the english countryside and richness of our legends, and be capable of reaching a fantastic box office sale without major rewritingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-25614049326450807442007-08-26T10:39:00.000-05:002007-08-26T10:39:00.000-05:00You know what I really want to do? Stand outside t...You know what I really want to do? Stand outside the cinema opening day and hand out copies of the books to everyone in line.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-45910584975858335022007-08-17T20:23:00.000-05:002007-08-17T20:23:00.000-05:00If The Seeker: The Dark Is Rising (to give the mov...If <I>The Seeker: The Dark Is Rising</I> (to give the movie its <A HREF="http://ozandends.blogspot.com/2007/08/tried-to-find-key-to-50-million-fables.html" REL="nofollow">new title</A>) is a hit, the studio can always go back to make <I>Over Sea, Under Stone</I> before moving on to the last three. <BR/><BR/>Then again, given the changes made in the passage from page to screen, the filmmakers could simply make up a whole new story.J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-87428789216683136272007-08-17T10:58:00.000-05:002007-08-17T10:58:00.000-05:00What I want to know is, if deciding to attempt a d...What I want to know is, if deciding to attempt a dramatization of Susan Cooper, why begin with the second book in the series? Although TDIR is a fabulous book, "Over Sea, Under Stone" sets up the entire background between the Dark and Light, as well as introducing Merriman Lyon. Not to mention great action sequences and a rush-against-time feeling. They have effectively made it impossible to follow up to TDIR-would the movie makers skip straight to "The Grey King"? And how does one finish the ultimate battle at all without the Drew children, without whom the Grail could never be found and the events for "Silver on the Tree" set in motion? If TDIR remains true to the book AT ALL, the final battle cannot be fought in it, because "when the Dark comes rising, six shall turn it back, three from the Circle, three from the Track..."<BR/>which means do to the books any justice they will have to set up for a sequal (and let's face it, what company isn't greedy enough to do this today)......<BR/>besides, turning the main character into an obnoxious mall-going American teenager completely detracts from the inherent Britishness of the stories and effectively chages the whole tambre<BR/>Guess I'll be renting this oneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-74534783858328998412007-08-13T03:28:00.000-05:002007-08-13T03:28:00.000-05:00Let's face it....This movie is NOT an attempt at a...Let's face it....This movie is NOT an attempt at a faithful adaptation of "TDIR" like "Lord Of The Rings" or "Lion, Witch, Wardrode"!!! It is one very (very very) loosely based upon that novel. So if you see it, DO NOT expect any resemblence at all. Unfortunately, this means the odds of ever actually making a movie based upon the book for real are now severely diminished. I, too, upon hearing the name "Will Stanton" in the theater before the Harry Potter movie could not believe my ears. Then, sadly, I couldn't believe my eyes, as the trailer proved to be a sham of a mockery of anything decent. Had NOONE involved read the book at all? There was a South Park episode where a commentator follows Stan around and turns his life into a stupid movie trailer. This "The Seeker" trailer was just like that episode, only pathetically it was real. "Will Stanton thought he was an ordinary boy. But he's gonnna find, being the Seeker, isn't what he thought!" DUUUUUUUUHH.scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09857466361919777177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-14923866856731787252007-07-17T07:30:00.000-05:002007-07-17T07:30:00.000-05:00after seeing that abomination of a trailer at Harr...after seeing that abomination of a trailer at Harry Potter I am quite upset to say the least. (tearing my hair out)how dare they completely change the story just to get an audience. when other girls were reading the saddle club and judy bloom, i enjoyed this series because it was old fashioned and interesting. the lady is supposed to be old but powerful in her own way, Will is too young to care about girls, and what it lacked in action it made up for in story. the english countryside is what made it so enchanting to me. i'm thoroughly disappinted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-12268509311655922652007-07-17T01:50:00.000-05:002007-07-17T01:50:00.000-05:00I agree with the last two commenters--I got this o...I agree with the last two commenters--I got this overwhelming feeling of "Americanness" when I saw the trailer, and was almost convinced it was actually taking place in America. It seems as though the director has taken a lot of liberties with elements I have always felt were integral to this series. I hate to say that I'm not looking forward to it, after seeing the preview. It was one of my favorite series growing up.Sarah Stevensonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16534942492714970282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-25082755840313704132007-07-16T21:33:00.000-05:002007-07-16T21:33:00.000-05:00Yes, the rural Buckinghamshire landscape is very i...Yes, the rural Buckinghamshire landscape is very important in <I>The Dark Is Rising</I>. Indeed, when I reread the book a couple of years ago, I found that the images of snowbound lanes and woods had stuck with me more strongly than the more "magical" images in the book. <BR/><BR/>Will's family is tied to the farming community, though his father is a jeweler. In the movie, the family is visiting from America, and the father is, I believe, a professor. <BR/><BR/>Those changes are no doubt intended to increase the movie's commercial appeal, as in <I>The Indian in the Cupboard</I> a few years back. <BR/><BR/>One question to ponder: Had Buckinghamshire and life in southern England changed so much that any story set in contemporary times there would have to include malls and modern houses? We are, after all, talking about a book over 30 years old. (I recall a Christmas shopping expedition in town in the book as well.)J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-6674622490815549962007-07-16T21:03:00.000-05:002007-07-16T21:03:00.000-05:00If I remember correctly, Susan Cooper based much o...If I remember correctly, Susan Cooper based much of this book on stories and myths of Buckinghamshire (i.e. Herne the Hunter, Wayland Smith) What I remember as one of my favorite parts of the book was the rural feeling evoked by the setting being a farm, the feeling of being isolated during the snow storm (how Mary describes the snow trying to get in the house). I saw the trailer, and thatrural atmospheric feeling is totally lost--they are in shopping malls, modern homes, ugh. I have a bad feeling about this.......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-7302313420168101042007-07-13T08:33:00.000-05:002007-07-13T08:33:00.000-05:00Having seen the trailer, I have to say that changi...Having seen the trailer, I have to say that changing Will's age to 14 means quite a bit of a change. He is shown caring about how to talk to girls, for example, something I was angry about, since it never enters the books, any of them. <BR/>I was also angry about the American accent. Why couldn't he have a British accent? Harry Potter has, and that fact hasn't stopped the films in that series from attracting North American viewers.<BR/>Hearing about the Christian director really cinches things for me. I will not be seeing this film. The book is one of my all time favorites, partly because of its paganism, and I am not going to want my feelings for it spoiled by seeing a bad movie version.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-72769899426261025072007-06-28T13:53:00.000-05:002007-06-28T13:53:00.000-05:00whether christian or not, i think the book series ...whether christian or not, i think the book series is great and i wonder about a movie. After seeing how they murdered the Eragon and Harry Potter books and skipped the first Narnia book (they are also skipping the next one right to the 4th book for the next movie) i'm worried. will this be another movie series that sucks? can it even be a series if you skip introducing the Drews in the 1st book? i don't care what that critic from chud.com says, i loved the series as a child and i want my kids to enjoy it. but will i get a bad taste in my mouth everytime i read it after a sucky movie?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-23247607652537640722007-06-12T15:21:00.000-05:002007-06-12T15:21:00.000-05:00after anon's post re: the chud link: I'm out. Be...after anon's post re: the chud link: I'm out. Best of luck to them. I skipped Narnia for the same reason. I read TDIR every Christmas (take that fellow Christians!) and am uninterested in where these people can take this. Maybe my kids will enjoy it (as I can't get them to read the book). Godspeed,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-10079343966097036832007-06-05T19:51:00.000-05:002007-06-05T19:51:00.000-05:00Quite an interesting story linked above—and by no ...Quite an <A HREF="http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=10283" REL="nofollow">interesting story</A> linked above—and by no means from a rabid, change-nothing! fan of the book. Damian Faraci begins: <BR/><BR/><I>"A joke among the journalists covering </I>The Dark Is Rising<I> set visit in Bucharest over the last couple of days was that the movie has only changed three things from the Newberry-winning novel on which it’s based: they’ve changed the lead kid’s nationality from English to American, they’ve changed the lead kid’s age from 11 to 14, and they’ve changed everything that happens in the story.<BR/><BR/>"This, by the way, is not a bad thing. While flying to Romania I read </I>The Dark Is Rising<I>, which happens to be the second (but best known) book in The Dark Is Rising Sequence, and found it quite a slog. Susan Cooper’s book is a dramatic nightmare in that it features the most passive protagonist since Terry Schiavo, endless prophesizing of events that take place pages and sometimes paragraphs later, and lots and lots of internal action and almost nothing external. Reading the book I didn’t wonder how on Earth Fox-Walden would make a movie out of it, but rather how they’d ever make an interesting movie out of it."</I>J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-7007303196744655152007-06-05T19:33:00.000-05:002007-06-05T19:33:00.000-05:00It doesn't look like it's going to be "The Dark is...It doesn't look like it's going to be "The Dark is Rising" at all, but some awful Hollywood monstrosity. Read here: http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=10283<BR/><BR/>They took all the Arthurian stuff out.<BR/><BR/>O.o You can't do that and have the same story. It's not possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-32885442987673090812007-04-21T11:46:00.000-05:002007-04-21T11:46:00.000-05:00I checked out the casting, and it looks great. Us...I checked out the casting, and it looks great. Us hard-cores will undoubtedly cringe at a PC adaptation of what is fundamentally a pagan book. I've always loved the bit with the Priest in the chapel, but it would anger more people than it pleased. I'm actually stunned that DIR isn't banned more often. The international element will serve it well with todays audiences.<BR/>That said - down with Bush!agrahamthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00997773827300784876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-28208883396493643102007-04-21T11:41:00.000-05:002007-04-21T11:41:00.000-05:00I wrote an essay arguing with a prof. in college a...I wrote an essay arguing with a prof. in college about DIR. I was into eastern philosophy at the time, and my Prof came from a Tennysonian "transcendental railroad" background. I argued that the world view of DIR was very Eastern, subversion of the Will and all that. The Hawkins bit and the aloofness, apartness, detachment of the Old Ones is disturbing, but I love it and consider it a legitimate perspective.agrahamthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00997773827300784876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-11169891197024714432007-03-21T23:07:00.000-05:002007-03-21T23:07:00.000-05:00I really hope that the movie is good . The Dark is...I really hope that the movie is good . The Dark is rising is my all time favorite bookAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-1162224729319144532006-10-30T11:12:00.000-05:002006-10-30T11:12:00.000-05:00I agree that it would be easy enough to drop all r...I agree that it would be easy enough to drop all references to the vicar from a <I>Dark Is Rising</I> script, and that wouldn't have to be motivated by trying to make the story fit into a Christian world-view. Of course, that would still leave it as a (very odd) Christmas story, simply because Christianity long ago took over the winter solstice holidays that the book implies are older and deeper. <BR/><BR/>I think there's a tendency (by no means confined to Christians, or to people of any faith) to assume and subsume stories into one's own strongly held world-view. The thinking goes something like:<BR/>1) I believe in good versus evil.<BR/>2) This is a story of good versus evil.<BR/>3) Therefore, it reflects my beliefs. <BR/><BR/>I recall seeing someone write in an online forum about the Christian underpinnings of <I>His Dark Materials</I> just about the time that Philip Pullman began to give interviews on the series's subtext about the dangers of orthodox religion. The poster had apparently never considered that someone could write about good and evil while holding quite different views of religious establishments in this world.J. L. Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15405157000473731801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-1162222876337797042006-10-30T10:41:00.000-05:002006-10-30T10:41:00.000-05:00Anonymous/NEM: that was an incredibly well put and...Anonymous/NEM: that was an incredibly well put and diplomatic message. Your concerns echo mine almost exactly, but you put it so much better than I did. You're right that the biggest problem would be with trying to retrofit a Christian message where there isn't meant to be one. I love the Chronicles of Narnia and don't have a problem with the Christian underpinnings of that story because a) it's an integral part of the story, and b) it's not done in such a heavy-handed way that it interferes with enjoyment of the story.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16813084292265103896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-1162208770577125932006-10-30T06:46:00.000-05:002006-10-30T06:46:00.000-05:00The Dark Is Rising is one of my favourite books of...The Dark Is Rising is one of my favourite books of all time - and I'm also a Christian. I think I'm right in saying that Susan Cooper is an atheist so I've always accepted the part you quote as what you'd expect her to write. I don't happen to agree, but then I don't agree with everything I read! (Does anyone?) It doesn't happen to spoil the story for me - the main theme of the series as I see it is about making a choice between serving the light or the dark. Outside the book I think the reader sorts out their own feelings about the sources of light and dark in the "real" world, as opposed to the fantasy world of Coopers's books. It's healthy for everyone to have their beliefs challenged from time to time, atheists and Christians alike. <BR/><BR/>To be honest this scene with the rector would probably be cut anyway, even by a "neutral" director.It's not absolutely essential for the plot unless you, as the director, particularly wanted to make the same point that Cooper is making.<BR/><BR/>My main worry is that the film would just be a bad one, full stop. A heavy "Biblical, values, based message" chills me as much as the next person and doesn't usually make for a good film, especially when the filmmaker sets out with this intent, but that's true of any case where didacticism rules over story. This is especially the case when the book just doesn't fit the mould (as opposed to Narnia where the message was underlying the story already).<BR/><BR/>Like Sheila I will be both drawn and afraid to see it if it ever comes out. It'll never be as good as the book though, will it?<BR/><BR/>NEMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28103455.post-1162179321090942682006-10-29T22:35:00.000-05:002006-10-29T22:35:00.000-05:00Now you've got me really worried. I always have a ...Now you've got me really worried. I always have a fair amount of anxiety when I hear that a movie is being made of a book I love, because I'm both drawn to see it and afraid to see it. <I>The Dark is Rising</I> is one of my favorite books of all time, and I really don't want to see a bad movie made of it. I especially don't want to see it distorted to spread a "Biblical, values-based message!"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16813084292265103896noreply@blogger.com